A Frozen Conscience

"The purpose of the whole thing, eventually, in that world, is that they have everybody in their pocket. You need to be susceptible to blackmail. And blackmailing me proved to be very hard if I look back on it. They wanted to do that through those children. And that broke me." --Ronald Bernard in an interview with De Vrije Media, April 2017

If you remember the recent post about statements made by Robert David Steele, then the quotation above by former Big Money bankster, Ronald Bernard, will not surprise you. Steele has said repeatedly that the Deep State trafficks in gold, guns, cash, drugs, and small children. Cockroaches like Jeffrey Epstein fulfill one dominant role in their life: to set up brutally compromising environments to which the global Babylonian Priesthood will lure potential blackmail candidates. Once under its control, the Priesthood then releases those bankers, politicians, judges, clergymen, et al, back into our world where those tools keep the wheels of that Priesthood's black matrix spinning.

Ronald Bernard came forward last month as the guest of De Vrije Media to participate in a video interview. Part One was published, instantly went viral, and can be viewed here below with English captions. You might find it easier to read the entire transcript of the interview [linked here]. I will highlight those particular statements uttered by Mr. Bernard that stood out to me.


The Alt-Media community is hailing Mr. Bernard as some kind of a whistleblower. However, I myself will refrain from calling him that because, well, he hasn't actually blown the whistle on anybody. Not by name, anyway. Nor can he, nor will he, not now, not ever, as the latter half of his interview will show. However, perhaps we should be thankful that we do have this one man who felt he could safely appear on camera without hiding his face in shadow and without using one of those lame voice scramblers to tell his story. He didn't even change his name.

Who is Ronald Bernard? We have the notes of the interview as well as the man's own website to answer that question. According to his bio at the website that he co-founded [linked here]:

Ronald is an analyst, inspirator and entrepreneur. His background is in economy, psychology, architecture and theology. He worked independent for 30 years in diverse branches. In the financial sector it was for asset management, currency- and deposit trade. He is well known in several EU countries and stands for a 'Good Stewardship of All Life'. He initiated the creation of B of Joy. A interest-free cooperative fairtrade pro-life bank UC. As a result, from society itself, a quiet cooperative (r)evolution is progressing.

Ronald Bernard appears to be of Dutch nationality who spent the heights of his professional career as a banking insider and ran with the world's most powerful elite. After his descent into the proverbial Hell and clawback to life, he became one of the co-founders of "B of Joy," another one of those utopian initiatives that believes it is actually possible to reform the global financial system and make it work for the good of humanity rather than what it has done for 3,000 years, non-stop, which is to destroy humanity. And I do not say that with a hint of ridicule but rather with a dose of cynicism. As readers of my older blogs know, I am quite opinionated on the subject of the history of the Debt Masters and hold a firm belief that the very concept of "debt" is itself anti-human and thus the entire structure of lending and usury is worthy of destruction. But I digress.

Bernard's co-founded website is quite professionally maintained and so is the group's Facebook and Twitter pages. In spite of my cynicism, I do encourage you to visit both and keep an eye out for the sequel to the above interview. I will post a link here as well when it becomes available.

Irma Schiffers, co-founder of De Vrije Media, says this at the conclusion of her introduction of Ronald Bernard [linked here]:

Eventually this ended in his personal complete breakdown. Ronald does his story candidly and is forthright with his emotions to explain all that had preceded this breaking point. He clarifies the distorted way the world works, in which a small group of elites, numbering between 8000 to 8500 people, who rule the entire world and discloses their ‘religious incentives’ for doing so. “If only people really knew the ins and outs of the matter and realized what is really going on”. When you have seen this interview, you will know. Then automatically the question arises: ‘how are we going to fix this, when we no longer look away, but bundle our powers?’

Bernard begins his interview by explaining Step One of his rocket-like flight to prosperity: drop your conscience into the freezer.

The Deep Freeze

Ronald says that he was recruited into the elite world of big money by a man who warned him that, in order to succeed in that world, Ronald would have to be willing to silence his own conscience. In Ronald's words, this man told him:

"There is one thing you need to know. If you can’t put your conscience in the proverbial freezer, and I don’t mean on -18 degrees, but on -100, then don’t get involved in this." That was the message, “you want a lot of money, you can obtain that, I can help you, but it comes at a great cost, because you can not do this with a clear conscience.” Well, I laughed at that, I was young and naive.

Ronald learned the ropes of how to "process cash" in mountainous amounts. We might call this "money laundering." Ronald calls it "processing cash." Then he explains how the relationships work in that dark elite world:

But they are actually all friends on the same side. Everybody thinks there are opposites like good and bad guys in the world, but on the higher levels it is just a game and they are all working together. However, they do have to stick to the rules and regulations, which they themselves have created to keep the rest of society suppressed and make sure that it will not be too crowded at the top. So you have to play by your own rules. So that is what is going on there, is to make sure that nobody can trace you. Apart from the elite themselves, nobody in the lower ranks can find out what really happened.

Interviewer: Compartmentalized, that’s how we call it.

Ronald: Yes.

Interviewer: Everyone knows only his own little piece. Only the elite knows what is happening.

Ronald: Yes, but because we were doing the dirty work, we had to know a lot. Because we couldn’t afford to make any mistakes.

Interviewer: How high in the pyramid did you get? Were you close to the top of the pyramid?

Ronald: Well, we were communicating with them.

Interviewer: Okay.

Ronald: My ego would have loved it to get to the position of belonging to the top itself. Nowadays we still talk about 8000-8500 people who run the entire world. It would have been amazing to get into such a position back then.

Interviewer: All right, but if we say the top knows 100%, can you estimate how much you knew and understood of what happened?

Ronald: In my work, I had to know 100% of what was going on. There was no other way, because the interests of the people involved were huge.

Keep those words in the forefront of your mind: "they are all friends on the same side." Ronald came to witness, first hand, that there are no "enemies" at this level. They are all working together. Enlightened Rogue Money readers have understood that concept for a long time. We know, for example, that the CIA and ISIS work hand-in-hand. That's how we can believe that there is no such thing as a "war on terror" just like there never was such a thing as a "war on drugs." Ronald goes on to say:

So like 1% within a bank knows the truth of the matter regarding the happenings within the world, which is not surprising considering they are involved in the flows of money. Those are your clients. You also have governments to deal with, multinationals, you have to deal with secret services, and what they now call terrorist organizations. You get all of those groups that involved with the big money as clients, then you start seeing the connections. So they might be compartmentalized as you just mentioned, regarding knowledge, but because I am in the middle I see how they relate to another; you see the money coming from this place, then going to that place, etc. You keep gaining information and thereby overview of what is really going on.


So one of the things that I found out that I did not know before, but now I do, is about secret services; you think they are there to serve and protect a people, country, etc. but they actually turn out to be criminal organizations, to be more precise, the system is heavily so. We are talking about financing wars, creating wars, so basically creating a lot of misery in this world. So lots of conflict. And then I think to myself, if only people knew what the world is really like. Secret services will stop at nothing. Nothing. But they also have their flows of money, because if they are trading in drugs or weapons, or for that matter, people… all that money has to go somewhere. Everything has to be financed.

Interviewer: You say “if”, but could you confirm they are doing this?

Ronald: All of them. All of them.

Interviewer: Yes.

Ronald: So the entire world as we think we know it, is just an illusion we believe in. Which is something you find out in this line of work, and where it all went wrong for me, to put it that way.

The place where it all went wrong for Ronald is when the day came when it was his turn to participate in child sacrifice.

Modern Day Molech Worshipers

I will warn you straight away that now comes the sensational part of the interview ... and this part is not for the faint of heart.

Ronald: In hindsight, yes it was for the best, but my ‘freezer’ started to malfunction. There were things happening....

Ronald: And back then we laughed at it. Ha ha ha, all together, all of us. We looked down on people, mocked them. It was just a product. Waste. Everything was worthless trash. Nature, the planet, everything could burn and break.

Interviewer: Just useless parasites.

Ronald: Just as long as we met our goals, as long as we were growing. Many of my colleagues ended up drinking or using drugs. Not me. Maybe I should have.

Interviewer: Or not.

Ronald: No, in hindsight, it was for the best and I’m happy to still be alive. However, all those horrible things started to eat at me.

Interviewer: Can you give an example, because I can sense a lot of terrible things happened to you.

Ronald: Yes, it is a difficult part for me to talk about.

Interviewer: I can feel that, but only whatever you wish to share is all right.

Ronald: Yes, I only talk about things I want to tell. But it does evoke lots of emotions and with my conscience not being in the freezer it touches me deeply.

Interviewer: Can you tell me the worst thing that has happened that caused the tipping point in your situation?

Ronald: Well, that was the beginning of the end. You get so deep into these circles, and you sign a lifetime contract. Not with blood or anything. To never disclose names of companies, organizations or people. I think that is why I am still alive. You have to stick to it. If we are talking about the worst things that I have experienced… I just told you about things that made the freezer glitch, my conscience started to show itself.

Let’s put it this way, I was training to become a psychopath, and I failed. I did not complete the training, and didn’t become a psychopath. My conscience came back and the most difficult part for me was, because I had such a great status there, I was a success, I was trusted with the people playing at this level.

To put it carefully, most of these people followed a not very mainstream religion. So you have Catholics, Protestants, all sorts of religions. These people, most of them, were Luciferians. And you can say, “religion is a fairy tale, God doesn’t exist, none of that is real.” Well, for these people, it is truth and reality, and they served something immaterial, what they called Lucifer. And I was also in contact with those circles, only I laughed at it because to me they were just clients. So I went to places called Churches of Satan.

Interviewer: So now we are talking about Satanism?

Ronald: Yes, so I visited these churches, just as a visitor, dropped by, and they were doing their Holy Mass with naked women and liquor and stuff. And it just amused me. I didn’t believe in any of this stuff, and was far from convinced if any of this was real.

Interviewer: It was just a spectacle to you…

Ronald: Yes, in my opinion the darkness and evil is within the people themselves. I didn’t make the connection yet. So I was a guest in those circles and it amused me greatly to see all those naked women and the other things. It was the good life. But then at some point, which is why I’m telling you all this, I was invited to participate in sacrifices… abroad. That was the breaking point. Children.

Interviewer: You were asked to do that…?

Ronald: Yes, and I couldn’t do that.

Interviewer: Would you like to stop for a moment by the way?

Ronald: No. And then I started to slowly break down. I lived through quite a lot as a child myself and this really touched me deeply. Everything changed. But that is the world I found myself in. And then I started to refuse assignments within my job. I could no longer do it. Which made me a threat.

Interviewer: For them… of course.

Ronald: I was no longer capable of functioning optimally. My performance started to shake and I had refused tasks. I had not participated. The purpose of the whole thing, eventually, in that world, is that they have everybody in their pocket. You need to be susceptible to blackmail. And blackmailing me proved to be very hard if I look back on it. They wanted to do that through those children. And that broke me.

Interviewer: Is that - you are not telling me something new - what they also do in politics?

Ronald: If you google this, you’ll find enough worldwide witness accounts to know this isn’t a Walt Disney fairy tale. Unfortunately the truth is that worldwide they have been doing this for thousands of years. I once studied theology and even in the Bible you find references to these practices with Israelites. The reason the first 10 tribes were banished to Babylonia was because of these rituals with children. Including the sacrificing of children. So this is pertinent, all this made me believe, because I realized there was more to life than meets the eye. There is a whole invisible world. It is real. You really do talk about a dark force and a manifestation of light. So I resorted to studying theology to make sense of it all.

And that, my friends, is where I will leave this portion of the interview. It's possible that the second half will be posted in this month of May 2017 and I will make a note here in the blog. So, now, when you tell your friends about all this crazy stuff at Bankster Slayer's radio shows or at RogueMoney.net about whacked out pedophiles and Satanists who are clearly running the global financial system, now you can also hold up a photo of a man who saw it firsthand and is now recounting his story to anybody who will listen.

"Because this is an all annihilating force that hates our guts. It hates creation, it hates life. It will do anything to destroy us completely, and the way to do that is to divide humanity. Divide and conquer is their truth."  

ADDENDUM June 11, 2017

As promised, Part II of the interview is now posted, here below. Bernard does an excellent job of describing the Cabal pyramid of power with the 8500 elitists at the top, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) sits at the level below them, then comes the IMF and World Bank, and then the individual central banks like the Federal Reserve.


Two more segments have been planned and can be found on the interviewer's, Irma Schiffer's, official blog: click here.

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Bankster Slayer

"When I look back on all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all." -- the "Kodachrome" song by Paul Simon, 1973

I grew up in a quiet, small, city east of the San Fernando Valley, Los Angeles County, in Palmdale, California. I'm not quite old enough to remember the assassination of JFK, but do remember the assassination of Brother Bobbie on an early summer's day. I was finishing up my first grade at the elementary school just up the street from our suburbia house. Maybe that was when I became self-aware that something wasn't right. When I saw the events of that day unfolding on our new color TV, I remember a thought passing through my 6.5 year old mind. And silly me assumed that everybody else was also holding this same belief because it seemed so obvious to me:


"The President and his brother must have been killed by the same people."

I don't know how a little first-grader was able to come up with that conclusion. That certainly wasn't the sort of idea you would expect to be rumbling around the brain of a little kid. But it kept rumbling in mine and still does, to this day.

The people of my generation passed through the Space Race, the Vietnam War, Watergate, the Disco Era, Yuppies, the World Wide Web, and Irrational Exuberance. Throughout this entire period, a relentless Matrix Machine has been whirring in the background of our lives, unnoticed and largely unchallenged. In fact, that Machine has been whirring for centuries.

I guess it was inevitable that the 6.5 year old kid who once questioned the official doctrine of the Kennedy assassinations would one day swallow her own Red Pill. And so I did, following the 2008 Crash, as I watched the financial lives of my parents and myself collapse into disaster as the equity of our homes evaporated into the dry Arizona air.

I finally came to that moment as have so many readers and contributors of Rogue Money, that day when you finally stop and ask "Why did this happen?" I started reading, researching, listening. Gradually the bricks of The Matrix began to crumble. The monstrous beast was no longer hidden from view. 

And so I join this team of writers and readers who are all trying to Slay the Bankster Beast in their own way. We carry on with confidence because no Evil has ever stood forever against the onslaught of Truth. Undaunted, we move forward.

You will find that my contributions to the Rogue Money web site will focus on the deep history that created The Matrix in the first place. In other words, you won't find any opinion forthcoming on this-or-that presidential election ... unless you are talking about the overthrow of regimes 2- or 3- thousand years ago. In that case, I might be interested!

I make no apologies if what you hear steps on the toes of a long-cherished paradigm. I am just A Messenger. In fact, you will find that my blogs will invite your comments to provide additional pieces of information that perhaps you may have gleaned from your own research. I have many holes that need filling.

You've been told what, how, when, and where to think your whole life. I leave it up to you to exercise your own Mind and take appropriate Action to slay the monster for yourself.

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